Showing posts with label Reframers. Show all posts
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Sunday, November 6, 2011

Matters of Principle

Medea Benjamin puts the "jumping for joy" into perspective in this excellent article.  

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/medea-benjamin/iraq-war-withdrawal_b_1029051.html

What is disappointing is to read the comments at the end of this article - HuffPost people completely involved with utilitarianism and Obama-like pragmatism.  Dictator deposed, WMDs eliminated, country democratized, etc.  Apparently, they are trying to provide a progressive justification for the debacle that the Iraq war is and was.  Also, to provide further justification for US continued imperialism worldwide. 

It is very seldom that war can be justified as a means to a moral end.  In the case of Iraq, to replace the brutality of Saddam Hussein by the same brutal means such as callous disregard for human life can not justify the end.  

What we see here are people who conveniently refuse to know the difference between principle and pragmatism -- like our President.  

It is as a matter of principle that war should not be conducted.  It is as a matter of principle that people should not be tortured.  It is as a matter of principle that there should be no covering up and inappropriate secrecy.  It is as a matter of principle that the Internet should not be imperialised.  It is as a matter of principle that ICBMs should not be used on cities.  It is a matter of principle that drones should not be used on individuals.  And so on.  Utilitarianism (the greatest good for the greatest number) and pragmatism can be used to justify anything.  With the setting aside of principle, comes the collapse of morality; with the collapse of morality, comes the collapse of politics, and so following on the collapse of our financial system, commercial system, society, culture, and of course economy.  

What the Huffpost people should be saying is "never again. We have learned an important lesson and we will never do that again.  On principle."

Glenn

Friday, August 5, 2011

August 4, 2011

Our discussion tonight focused on possible reactions to the alleged debt deal and the subsequent stock market freefall. Some of us thought that it might be time to listen to Al Gore's and Keith Olbermann's exhortation to have an Arab Spring in the USA.
[8:55:41 PM] debocracy: http://fact-based.blogspot.com/2006/01/gop-chat-room-rules.html
[8:57:14 PM] Gloria: Although we are GODS own party, from time to time we have to do things that do not reflect ourselves. To get the point across you will have to DO ANY MEANS NESSESARY to get it across. This is a time that language or other courses of action are ok. Remember to Pray for Gods forgiveness afterwards
[8:57:34 PM] debocracy: http://hypatiaofcalifornia.blogspot.com/
[8:59:55 PM] debocracy: http://furtherleft.org/peace/index.php
[9:16:12 PM] Glenn: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedition_Act_of_1918
[9:26:30 PM] debocracy: That is why I still have a telephone land line, and a 56K modem.
[9:26:48 PM] Glenn: http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110728/10111515298/is-your-senator-using-distraction-debt-ceiling-to-support-feds-secret-interpretation-spying-laws.shtml
[9:26:54 PM] debocracy: The land line exists so that I can access the Internet without cable or DSL.
[9:27:38 PM] debocracy: I learned that during the Egyptian uprising. You have to have a land line and a 56K modem if they shut down other access methods.
[9:32:03 PM] debocracy: also http://www.indybay.org/
[9:32:07 PM] Glenn: http://www.readersupportednews.org/
[9:35:03 PM] Gloria: This is another free lance site, and where I read a great deal of "joe blow American" opinion.
[9:35:10 PM] Gloria: http://www.newsvine.com/
[9:36:40 PM] Glenn: http://www.gradethenews.org/
[9:36:49 PM] debocracy: If there is ever civil unrest or a natural disaster, indybay.org will be of immense help. if you are in the San Francisco Bay Area.
[9:37:07 PM] debocracy: otherwise, come to indymedia.org
[9:37:11 PM] Glenn: Cornel West
[9:37:14 PM] Glenn: Invite
[9:37:17 PM] debocracy: and find your city or region :)
[9:38:03 PM] Glenn: http://www.michaelstoll.com/bio.htm
[9:39:59 PM] Glenn: http://www.gradethenews.org/nav/staff.htm

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