Friday, June 27, 2008

Land, Water, and the Future of the West

Crossing the Next Meridian: Land, Water, and the Future of the West Crossing the Next Meridian: Land, Water, and the Future of the West by Charles F. Wilkinson


My review


rating: 5 of 5 stars
Charles Wilkinson is a professor of Law at the University of Colorado. I got this book from the clearance table at my law school (located in California!!!!). Shameful. Every law student should read this book, as well as anyone interested in land and water use policy and outcomes.



Professor Wilkinson, a splendid writer, tells the story of how the laws governing land and water use in the West have given rise to poor policies and poor outcomes for the health and survival of the region.



After reading it, I felt that I had a beginner's grasp of the problems created by current laws. I also felt that the laws on the books will not be favorably altered in my lifetime. Our solution to that problem? Start relocalizing all of the resources we can relocalize, especially in view of the increasing costs for energy.



The serious problems for the West in terms of pollution, conservation, and poor water policy can be managed, but the solutions will come from the grassroots, not Congress or the Executive Branch.

Professor Wilkinson, a prolific author with an engaging style, has also written on Native American law and in many other related areas.


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Thursday, June 26, 2008

androgyny...who knew?

by Deborah Lake

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androgyny

Noooo, not like Sheldon in Big Bang Theory! Sheldon is asexual, not androgynous!

Androgynous people do not occupy some vast sexual wasteland.

Rather, androgynous people's thought processes do not conform to culturally-assigned roles. I always thought that there was something "wrong" with the way I thought, because I did not think "like a man" or "like a woman."

Some people think that I write like a man. I do not consciously write like I belong to any gender.

Despite having been warned that my mental omnivorousness would not help me find a husband, I remain primarily attracted to men. I would prefer that this condition did not exist. However, I had no choice in the matter. I did not awaken one morning and decide to be heterosexual.

So, I am content to rest for now and wait for someone to meet who is taking the same path as me.

ADD/ADHD in dogs and geeks

by Deborah Lake

Many of my friends have the condition that the world calls attention deficit disorder. Some treat it, some do not. Those who do not treat it are miserable; those who treat it are less miserable than those who do not. But all of them are champions of social justice, regardless of the personal cost.

I had to diagnose MYSELF with attention deficit disorder at the age of 56. Five months ago. Since then, the lives of my son, my best friends in real life, and my best friends in chat, have all improved immeasurably.

No psychiatrist, therapist, or other professional over the last 25 years noticed my condition, although they noticed that I was there asking for help to figure out what the heck was wrong with me! None of these people were aware that women can have ADD...and that many people with ADD do not have ADHD. I was not HYPER!!!!

I kept doing my own research. Located a book called, "Delivered from Distraction". Halleluhjah!

Guess what? Many people who have ADD are the furthest thing from hyper that you have ever seen.

In 1994, at the age of 43 maybe, I told the first decent doctor that I had ever had that I was depressed. That doctor thoughtfully prescribed Prozac. He was an internist, and did not practice outside of his field. But he made a good choice. That was all that was available at the time that agreed with me.

In 1997, I went back to school full time, passed algebra, left my abusive husband, and was accepted to UC Santa Barbara and UC Santa Cruz with very nice scholarships. I did my best to help my daughter. It was not enough. I was not qualified. She always ended up hating me for whatever I did, so I finally decided to leave and finish my education, so that I could better help her when she was ready for my help.

I graduated near the top of my class, and was accepted to UC Hastings. I graduated with my class from UC Hastings, at the age of 54. I was the first college graduate in my family.

No fairy dust for deb...despite the fact that I broke my leg, in two places, on Nov. 1 of the first semester of law school, and had to be in a wheelchair for the remainder of the semester, I still finished with my class!!!! My apartment caught on fire right before the finals. It was full of toxic ash. I had to live in a motel room, containing the most dreadful chairs on earth, while studying for and taking the most important tests of my life. I barely survived that year, academically, and that's all I cared about. Yet, I still finished with my class!!!!

In January of 2008, I educated my wonderful psychiatrist in ADD, female non-hyper style. He now has more knowledge with which to help me. I have finally been freed of the burdens of the terrible crises of the last few months; I may not have survived without the additional help. I have finally been freed of the inability to reliably control my daily actions, as well.

Every day is a better day.

Wednesday, June 25, 2008

We have George Carlin, still!

Warning! This is dialogue from an adult-rated chatroom. The links lead to r-rated comedic material by George Carlin and Lewis Black. Do not enter if under 18.

Discussions and links to

*George Carlin's best political routines...
*The prison-industrial complex's benefits to the Central Valley of California and other such places
*The Red Hot Chilli PIPERS

(1:53 AM) Dharma_D-Light-: we reallly need George now
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thephoenix_: that's the miracle of modernity
thephoenix_: we HAVE George Carlin still!
thephoenix_: George would approve!
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(1:54 AM) Dharma_D-Light-: yes we do Bird
(1:54 AM) pittsburghsteelers2k7: phoenix don't forget lewis black
thephoenix_: Lewis Black channels George
thephoenix_: I love Lewis Black
thephoenix_: he's cuddlier than George
thephoenix_: I love his show The Root of All Evil!

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(11:14 PM) Alert: This is an A rated room intended for adults only.
(11:14 PM) Alert: Political jokes, musical parodies, the fun side of politics, come in, contribute, enjoy

thephoenix_: hey!
(11:14 PM) BUBZIE: EVENING KIDDIES.
(11:14 PM) oO_jezebel_Oo: heyyy you
(11:14 PM) zepp999: hi nix
thephoenix_: oops, didn't mean to be RED
(11:14 PM) oO_jezebel_Oo: hi bubzie
(11:14 PM) zepp999: hello bubzie
(11:14 PM) oO_jezebel_Oo: hehehehehe (bird!!!)
(11:14 PM) BUBZIE: IS UNCLE TOM AWAKE?
thephoenix_: let's see
thephoenix_: ok!
thephoenix_: hi zeppie
thephoenix_: been watching some Carlin tonight
thephoenix_: I will sure miss him!
(11:15 PM) oO_jezebel_Oo: i know, we did a tribute to him yesterday morning
(11:16 PM) BUBZIE: ONE THING ABOUT CARLIN, HE NEVER SEEN A BUSH TO BEAT AROUND.
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(11:16 PM) BUBZIE: DIRECT AND TO THE POINT.
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thephoenix_: Did you see f'ing piece of s*** businessmen routine?
(11:18 PM) Alert: Upgrade Now -- Get unlimited video all the time!
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(11:19 PM) oO_jezebel_Oo: bird, i've gotta lie down -- if ya wanna play carlin from you tube on the mic in here, ask bobby, he'll probably let ya
thephoenix_: okies
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(11:21 PM) Bobby McGee: sure
(11:21 PM) Bobby McGee: play it
(11:21 PM) Bobby McGee: i dont mind
thephoenix_: LOL okies
thephoenix_: must reload!
thephoenix_: brb
thephoenix_: loooool\
thephoenix_: this is my fav!
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(11:25 PM) tokun: what did he die from?
thephoenix_: heart attack
(11:26 PM) zepp999: hello tokun
(11:26 PM) tokun: oh ok
(11:26 PM) zepp999: heart i believe
thephoenix_: His wife died in 1997
(11:26 PM) tokun: how sad
thephoenix_: He was very sad after that.
thephoenix_: He always spoke of her lovingly...never any of that mean shit comedians do to their spouses!

thephoenix_: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u6lCBnRoHQ&feature=rec-fresh
I DON’T VOTE
(11:27 PM) tokun: yep
thephoenix_: I grew up and went through my adulthood listening to Carlin and Pryor!
thephoenix_: I learned a lot from both of them.
(11:28 PM) tokun: great

thephoenix_: did y'all play Advertising Lullabye?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzh_ckZcuCM
thephoenix_: These are all from "You Are All Diseased"
thephoenix_: loooool
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(11:34 PM) Bobby McGee: more
(11:34 PM) Bobby McGee: more george carlin
thephoenix_: More you say?
thephoenix_: you got it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_knQsNb7SdI&feature=related
Businessmen and Religion
(11:34 PM) Bobby McGee: i say yeah
(11:34 PM) Bobby McGee: go for it
(11:34 PM) Bobby McGee: good laugh is always good
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thephoenix_: carlin on the white middle class feminists/ discussion of b***j**
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XD5L2CxRMG4
(11:38 PM) Bobby McGee: lol
(11:38 PM) Bobby McGee: hahaahaah
thephoenix_: lol
(11:39 PM) Bobby McGee: lol
(11:39 PM) ana 3_2: loool
(11:39 PM) Bobby McGee: aahahhaah
(11:39 PM) Bobby McGee: hahahahahahaahhaahha
(11:40 PM) Bobby McGee:
thephoenix_: hahaha
(11:40 PM) Bobby McGee: lol
(11:41 PM) Bobby McGee: lol
(11:41 PM) ana 3_2: lol
thephoenix_: lol
thephoenix_: hahaha
(11:41 PM) Bobby McGee: lol
thephoenix_: rotf
(11:42 PM) Bobby McGee: lol
(11:42 PM) Bobby McGee: ahahaahhaah
(11:42 PM) Bobby McGee: lol
(11:42 PM) Bobby McGee: haaahhaahahahahha
thephoenix_: lmao! You guys DO that.
thephoenix_: Even the most kind and polite and respectful men cannot stop thinking that!
thephoenix_: Even the ones who have trained themselves not to talk to our boobs!
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thephoenix_: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dcr8dm9Prkk&feature=related
thephoenix_: This is a video performance
(11:48 PM) ana 3_2: heehe
thephoenix_: most of them have stills
(11:48 PM) Bobby McGee: lol
(11:49 PM) ana 3_2: loooool
(11:49 PM) Bobby McGee: haahahhahha
thephoenix_: lol
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(11:49 PM) Bobby McGee: they happen to be ...
(11:49 PM) Bobby McGee: lol
(11:49 PM) Bobby McGee: hhahahahha
thephoenix_: looool
(11:49 PM) Bobby McGee: lol
(11:49 PM) Bobby McGee: no he is not
(11:49 PM) Bobby McGee: lol
(11:49 PM) ana 3_2: lool
(11:50 PM) ana 3_2: true
(11:50 PM) Bobby McGee: more ?
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thephoenix_: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJ4SSvVbhLw&feature=related
thephoenix_: The American Dream
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(11:52 PM) Bobby McGee: lol
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thephoenix_: wanna hear a recent interview with Keith Olbermann?
(11:55 PM) ana 3_2: yes
thephoenix_: coming right up!
(11:55 PM) Bobby McGee: i like that
thephoenix_: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UVXj8F9Fmk&feature=related
(11:55 PM) Bobby McGee: the american dream you have to be asleep to believe it
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thephoenix_: hi zenobia
(11:58 PM) zenobia_1: hi
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thephoenix_: hi dances
thephoenix_: George Carlin being interviewed by Keith Olbermann
thephoenix_: Governor Bush!
(12:02 AM) dances_with_haggis: Hi TP M8
thephoenix_: cell phone that makes pancakes!
thephoenix_: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UVXj8F9Fmk&feature=related
thephoenix_: go take a look at the comments!
(12:03 AM) oO_jezebel_Oo: dances mate
(12:03 AM) ana 3_2: thx all g'nite n g'day
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thephoenix_: oops sorry

(12:06 AM) pittsburghsteelers2k7: jez want me to sing to u lol
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(12:06 AM) oO_jezebel_Oo: haha pits no please no
(12:07 AM) pittsburghsteelers2k7: u may not wake up at all better not lol
(12:07 AM) oO_jezebel_Oo: thanks for playing those bird
(12:07 AM) pittsburghsteelers2k7: i can't carry a tune let alone the bucket
(12:08 AM) pittsburghsteelers2k7: yw
thephoenix_: you are welcome!
thephoenix_: phone call...
(12:08 AM) pittsburghsteelers2k7: oops
(12:08 AM) oO_jezebel_Oo: they were good ones
(12:11 AM) tokun: this may help jez

(12:34 AM) tokun: i thought you were going to say that lol
(12:34 AM) Chirper58: Hello everyone, good to see my friends in here.
thephoenix_: XO
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(12:34 AM) Bobby McGee: i did 8 hours
thephoenix_: criminy, bobby!
thephoenix_: that's cruel and unusual punishment!
(12:35 AM) oO_jezebel_Oo: omar can open his cat room for a while
thephoenix_: loool jez!
thephoenix_: Save the Planet: Carlin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eScDfYzMEEw&feature=related

(12:41 AM) Chirper58: Is this music night in here tonight?
(12:41 AM) oO_jezebel_Oo: ty for sharing this tokun
(12:41 AM) tokun: no chirper
(12:41 AM) Chirper58: Hello everyone, and good morning
(12:42 AM) tokun: it was just quiet
(12:42 AM) Chirper58: what tune is this Tokun, cause it is so relaxing.
(12:42 AM) oO_jezebel_Oo: no chirper, we had just decided to play some music after it was quiet for a while
(12:42 AM) Chirper58: ah ok Jez
(12:42 AM) tokun: it is japanese /australian
(12:42 AM) Chirper58: it is beautiful hon
(12:42 AM) tokun: didge and shakuhachi
(12:43 AM) Chirper58: hey phoenix good to see you and Haggis in here.
(12:44 AM) oO_jezebel_Oo: beautiful, tokun
(12:44 AM) Chirper58: will be back soon, have to talk to my Daughter.
(12:44 AM) tokun: good to cya chirper
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(12:45 AM) tokun: yes it does
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(12:46 AM) tokun: sounds great
(12:46 AM) Tanasul: Bobby, I will be in Wasco today
(12:46 AM) Tanasul: I'll wave as i drive by
thephoenix_: Ugh.
thephoenix_: I have been in Wasco.
thephoenix_: It's the armpit of the Central Valley IMHO
(12:47 AM) Tanasul: lol exactly
thephoenix_: or is that Avenal?
thephoenix_: I get confused.
(12:47 AM) Tanasul: lol close
(12:47 AM) Tanasul: Wasco is worse
(12:48 AM) Tanasul: Avenal has a better view
thephoenix_: loool
thephoenix_: oh, that Bakersfield view!
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thephoenix_: a reeking layer of smog over hell...
(12:48 AM) Tanasul: could be worse, could be Corcorran
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thephoenix_: lol
(12:49 AM) Tanasul: I do IT stuff for the state
(12:49 AM) Tanasul: I have been getting requests from all of those prisons
thephoenix_: Bakersfield was my closest "city" for nine looooong years
thephoenix_: I now live 1/2 hour outside of Bakersfield
thephoenix_: oh dang, I cannot leave even yet!
thephoenix_: I meant San Francisco LOL
(12:50 AM) Tanasul: lol Big difference
(12:50 AM) Tanasul: lolol
thephoenix_: Ya know what the trick with prisons is, why they want them so much?
http://www.conservapedia.com/Main_Page
(2:21 AM) Dharma_D-Light-: I was soooo proud when our former PM, Jean Chretien said-----WE ARE NOT WITH YOU, but now we have Stooopid Steve
(2:22 AM) dances_with_haggis: Amazin
thephoenix_: ::::::::::
(2:23 AM) Dharma_D-Light-: told you Bird, remember the CDC's prediction
(2:23 AM) tokun: for our young lads
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thephoenix_: ewwww, conservapedia!!!!
thephoenix_: LMAO!
thephoenix_: They can't even agree to agree on common definitions for words.
thephoenix_: freaks
(2:24 AM) Dharma_D-Light-: conservapaedia?
thephoenix_: whackjobs!
thephoenix_: http://www.conservapedia.com/Main_Page
(2:24 AM) tokun: the scottish are the only country that can do this
(2:24 AM) dances_with_haggis: aye TP
(2:25 AM) Bobby McGee: furenal ?
(2:25 AM) Dharma_D-Light-: hi Bobby
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thephoenix_: “He is perhaps best remembered for his decision that the first atomic bombs were dropped on the Japanese cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. (Hint. Check out the writing.)”
(2:25 AM) Dharma_D-Light-: we are grieving the loss of Humanity
thephoenix_: I would flunk any student who wrote a sentence like that!
(2:25 AM) Bobby McGee: hi
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thephoenix_: conservatives have to hire smart people to write for them, or this is what they get:
thephoenix_: He is perhaps best remembered for his decision that the first atomic bombs were dropped on the Japanese cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
thephoenix_: Bobby: is that an oxymoron, or a tautology?
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thephoenix_: conservatives do not think
(2:27 AM) dances_with_haggis: Tokun try this M8. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfnntIk4LwA “Red Hot Chilli Pipers” Live
thephoenix_: they make up excuses to hate others
thephoenix_: and people think that I made up the GOP chat room script...
(2:28 AM) Dharma_D-Light-: Conservatives follow....not in their genetic code to lead or have vision
thephoenix_: My imagination could never have possibly extended that far into grunting, snuffling orc hate!
thephoenix_: Yes, Dharma, the authoritarian personality
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thephoenix_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authoritarian_personality
(2:29 AM) Bobby McGee: thank god they dont lead imagin if you are led by by thoughtless leader
thephoenix_: nice, haggis!!!!
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(2:29 AM) shaysccg: hi everyone
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(2:29 AM) Dharma_D-Light-: haggis is "steppin'out"
(2:29 AM) tokun: good stuff m8
(2:29 AM) Bobby McGee: wait we are lead by thoughtless leader over a cliff
(2:29 AM) dances_with_haggis: now the pipes
(2:29 AM) shaysccg: how we doin here this fine morning
(2:29 AM) Bobby McGee: what am i saying
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(2:30 AM) shaysccg: ummm k hello anyone
(2:30 AM) Dharma_D-Light-: yes bobby
(2:30 AM) Bobby McGee: what do you call bush and congress if not thoughtless idiots
(2:30 AM) shaysccg: lets try that
thephoenix_: hi shay
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(2:30 AM) dances_with_haggis: not a good recording ..abort..sorry
(2:30 AM) shaysccg: ty phoenix
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(2:30 AM) shaysccg: hello
(2:30 AM) tokun: 2
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(2:31 AM) shaysccg: soo what happens in here
(2:31 AM) shaysccg: this is my first vist
(2:31 AM) shaysccg: ohhh RIP george
thephoenix_: best to just go with the flow at first, shay
(2:31 AM) shaysccg: oh indeed
thephoenix_: if you find the room entertaining, you can come back any time
(2:31 AM) shaysccg: ok so i shall sit back
thephoenix_: we do not have an agenda
(2:32 AM) Bobby McGee: is there another word for synonym
thephoenix_: you goof!
(2:32 AM) Bobby McGee: you would lol
(2:32 AM) Bobby McGee: its george carlin line not mine
(2:32 AM) shaysccg: i am just wakin up...it is 430 am in missouri here
thephoenix_: when I first came into chat, that was the funniest thing anyone could think to say...
thephoenix_: including me
thephoenix_: trouts, or monty python holy grail lines!
(2:33 AM) shaysccg: what was ?
(2:33 AM) shaysccg: lol
thephoenix_: I am going to slap you with a trout, shays!
thephoenix_: in the mid-1990s
(2:33 AM) shaysccg: yikes...smelly..hold up..let me get some coffee first..before the fish floggin
(2:34 AM) shaysccg: lol
(2:34 AM) shaysccg: i do
thephoenix_: wonder if someone has chats saved from then...
thephoenix_: there was no political chat back then
(2:34 AM) Bobby McGee: ok
(2:34 AM) shaysccg: lol
(2:34 AM) Dharma_D-Light-: The Eternal Election, then anothoer Eternal Election
(2:34 AM) shaysccg: arent they great
(2:34 AM) shaysccg: try living here
(2:34 AM) shaysccg: lol
thephoenix_: I spent my whole time trying to get OUT of sex, match, whatever chat.
(2:35 AM) Bobby McGee: THIS WHAT i CALL FURENAL MUISC LOL
thephoenix_: people who think that talking about sex is the only thing that is sexy do not INTEREST ME
(2:35 AM) Dharma_D-Light-: Bird
(2:35 AM) tokun: no it's called fighting music
(2:35 AM) Dharma_D-Light-: Oh, I get you
(2:35 AM) dances_with_haggis: The Red Hot Chilli Pipers http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwrvHnYpwkk
(2:35 AM) tokun: am i wrong haggi8s
(2:35 AM) Bobby McGee: play me some thing with soul like blues or something
thephoenix_: Chat in the olden days, Dharma!!! It was what it was!
thephoenix_: I gave up in despair around 1997.
thephoenix_: When I went back to college.
(2:36 AM) dances_with_haggis: the british army class the pipes as weapons of war
(2:36 AM) shaysccg: i ususally dont stay in rooms when the conversation takes that sex turn phoenix
(2:36 AM) Dharma_D-Light-: phoenix...it cost me plenty-you know all the honest people, hmmm
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thephoenix_: looool haggis
(2:36 AM) shaysccg: chat is for fun and discussion for me
thephoenix_: Indeed they are!
(2:36 AM) Ticketyboo582: he isnt kidding
(2:37 AM) tokun: play it in the choppers run down
(2:37 AM) dances_with_haggis: its true TP
thephoenix_: xactly, shays
(2:37 AM) waiting4gado: expectations for chatrooms some people have unusual
(2:37 AM) shaysccg: i usually play trivia and dont do much cruisin around
(2:37 AM) shaysccg:
(2:37 AM) Bobby McGee: lol hagis its ten min of bag pipe i woulf be screaming tourtutre
thephoenix_: If I wanted to be treated like s***, I would go into a "sex" chatroom.
(2:37 AM) waiting4gado: some people have unusual expectations for chatrooms
(2:37 AM) shaysccg: did i lose sound now?
(2:37 AM) shaysccg: i see the mic still and silence dang
(2:37 AM) shaysccg: lol phoenix..so true
(2:37 AM) tokun: if i am out of line please tell me
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(2:37 AM) shaysccg: and ewww at the same time
thephoenix_: Some guy asked me to turn on my cam for him the other night.
thephoenix_: LMAO!!!!!
(2:37 AM) waiting4gado: lol
(2:37 AM) shaysccg: let me go and come back
thephoenix_: I said, you gotta be kidding me.
(2:38 AM) waiting4gado: and you did of course
(2:38 AM) shaysccg: ewwwww i never look at cams either....
(2:38 AM) ladywicca: morning everyone
thephoenix_: I never turn on my cam for anyone.
(2:38 AM) waiting4gado: lady
(2:38 AM) shaysccg: unless i know the people and have ofr years
(2:38 AM) tokun: wicca chan
(2:38 AM) ladywicca: hi gado, heya tokun
(2:38 AM) Bobby McGee: morning wica
(2:38 AM) waiting4gado: dinner time here in asia
thephoenix_: He quit PMing me then. LOL
(2:38 AM) shaysccg: i have triv players that i will....cause i know it wont be them naked...
(2:38 AM) ladywicca: hey Bobby good morn
(2:38 AM) shaysccg: i bet he did
(2:38 AM) shaysccg: lmbo
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(2:39 AM) Ticketyboo582: morning wicca
(2:39 AM) shaysccg: let me go find my ears brb
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(2:39 AM) ladywicca: hi Tick
(2:39 AM) dances_with_haggis: bobby..the point is if you{or a scot} marches behind a pipe band it fills them up with pride they will take on anyone...the pipes were banned for about 75 years
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(2:39 AM) tokun: yes haggis
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(2:40 AM) Dharma_D-Light-: haggis, wasn't it the piper at the front of an offensive attack during wars??
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(2:40 AM) shaysccg: well i guess i cant find themm
(2:40 AM) dances_with_haggis: It was Dharma
(2:40 AM) shaysccg: i shall return another time i hear nothing dang it
(2:40 AM) shaysccg: nice to meet you all...
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(2:40 AM) Dharma_D-Light-: hello shay
(2:40 AM) Dharma_D-Light-: and hi wicca
(2:40 AM) tokun: the scotts are the hardest bastards in the world
(2:41 AM) tokun: no bullshit
(2:41 AM) ladywicca: morning Dharma
(2:41 AM) cpo geo: well done toukun from a Scotish American
(2:41 AM) dances_with_haggis: at d day the duke of Atholls piper...also pipers were alwasys leading
(2:41 AM) tokun: and that is not barking up there arse
(2:41 AM) tokun: but i know
(2:42 AM) Dharma_D-Light-: haggis, they were sacrificed
(2:42 AM) ladywicca: tokun, we've a Scottish Highland Games here in Chatham every year....traditional games of competition
(2:42 AM) Dharma_D-Light-: why couldn't they be at the rear?
(2:42 AM) tokun: by the british yes, by the scottish no
(2:42 AM) Ticketyboo582: dharma they knew we were coming and that was enough.
(2:42 AM) tokun: only the sell out many years ago
(2:43 AM) dances_with_haggis: got go BBL M8s
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(2:43 AM) tokun: cya haggis
(2:43 AM) ladywicca: just reading, more animals found dead in the Toronto park
(2:44 AM) ladywicca:
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(2:44 AM) Dharma_D-Light-: oh, the poisonings wicca?
(2:44 AM) ladywicca: yes
(2:44 AM) tokun: nutter there wicca chan?
(2:44 AM) ladywicca: bigtime tokun
(2:44 AM) ladywicca: somebody set out poison in bread and water bowls

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